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jadedestiny22
Oral Sex and Genital Herpes???
My friend and her boyfriend both have herpes simplex 2 (genital) and recently she asked me if I think she's crazy to perform oral sex. Aside from them being in a loving, monogamous relationship, the real question came down to, is it safe? I wasn't quite sure how to answer except to suggest washing with antibacterial soap and rinsing with antiseptic mouthwash directly after... was this a stupid suggestion, or would that work?
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I did not say "listerine would cure herpes"... she was talking about when there are no signs of outbreak. I came to the conclusion from reading about herpes and how to "prevent spreading" you should wash your hands immediately... putting 2 and 2 together, i figured it might help, esp since without an outbreak the chances would be much lower.
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kanoa k
If they both have it whats the big deal?

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neanderthal
herpes has active and inactive stages so when he is inactive then it would probably be okay, i would ask a doc

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Aaron D
you can not cure herpes in the mouth but since they both have herpes there is nothing they can do just as long as they dont give it to anybody else

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Leeza
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Herpes Simplex can be transferred to the genitals through oral sex. I don't know how a cold sore break out feels as I have never had them, but apparently they can be there and not been seen in the mout area and then through oral sex be transferred to the genitals. I still think people everywhere do it, just need to be aware of the risks involved. Apparently most people have the herpes simplex virus and don't even know it, so the chances are that more people have it and still have oral sex. I say go for it and stay as safe as they can! Have a good day hun, you are a good friend to try to find out for her xxxx

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Asker Anonymous
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That's a great suggestion, but there's still a chance it can spread and break out in her mouth. I suggest flavored condoms for her.. If she likes the taste of her man's penis, she can take a risk.

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Misty M
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go to http://www.stdromance.com,you can get answer

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gaara
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depends if you are a lesbian like dick or pussy?

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LckyNmbr9
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i dont think its a great idea..
not sre if herpes can be washed away with soap.

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Rachel L
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I think that was a good suggegstion. But without prentetive medication it can always be spread even without an outbreak and they shouldnt have sex with an outbreak because the lesions can get infected.

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just me
no that will not work

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mayflower25
If she has had genital hsv-2 for a while, I can't see why she can't give him oral sex.

Firstly, if she has had it over 6 months or so, the antibodies she has produced because of her own infeciton should provide her with a high level of immunity to getting it in a second location, i.e. on her mouth.

Secondly, hsv-2 does not like being on the mouth very much. She is very unlikely to catch it on her mouth, but if she did it is very unlikely that she would ever get a second outbreak. Oral hsv-2 is the weakest of all the herpes infections you can have.

I have genital hsv-1. My boyfriend has oral hsv-1. We still have unprotected intercourse - which is the equivalent of your friend giving oral sex, because my partner does not have it genitally and she does not have it orally. It isn't something we worry about - and we have had sex when I've been having an active outrbeak without him catching it - although that is not recommended.

I really can't see a probelm with it at all. Here is the advice of the herpes viruses association - it concerns hsv-1 but the same goes for hsv-2:

"If you and your partner have the same virus you will NOT reinfect each other - even on a different part of the body. So, if you have caught it genitally from your partner’s facial cold sores, he or she will not catch the virus back on the genitals."

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Kelly
ugh... but... nastiness!
well... it would be best if he used a condom while she gave him head, that way it wouldn't be direct contact.

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Shelly D
I think they may be able to get away with that. I would gargle with antiseptic Mouthwash before also. Of course not to do it if there is any sign, tingling of an outbreak
I have herpes and had unprotected, prolonged and frequent sex with my bf for 8 years... he always washed up really good afterwards and never got.
it's hard to tell who sheds the virus without symptoms.
also the mouth should not have any sores.
herpes is such a bummer... but now there are antiviral meds for herpes so I would say to your friends to go for it... life's too
short and an outbreak does not last long and can be treated.

added for those who do not know it: VIRUS IS KILLED BY ADEQUATE WASHING WITH ANY SOAP, ALCOHOL AND SPERMIZIDE

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Vj
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they have condoms made for ppl with that std, just to have oral

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Lacey G's Stalker :))
Actually Antibacterial soap and Mouthwash will do nothing except either clean her teeth really well or make her sick...

Herpes is caused by a VIRUS... not a bacteria...

Genital Herpes can be transmitted to the mouth via oral sex...

Herpes simplex type 2 can live in the genitals or the mouth and other mucous membranes... it is only called "genital" herpes because that is the usual place it is found.

If she also wants to get visible herpes outbreaks on her mouth, then go ahead and do the oral sex. If not, then she should refrain from that activity.

Good Luck,
Nurse Angie

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arthompson0705
that wouldn't work-she needs to use a condom even if they have oral sex. You can get the same diseases orally that you can get from vaginal intercourse.

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Scratchy_Joe
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the infection is already in the body she could scrub her tongue with a rat file and it would make no difference

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me
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The risk of 2 people with genital herpes spreading it to their mouths via oral sex is very low.

There is a risk and they should do some research of their own because the ignorance posted in these responses is beyond astounding.

Genital herpes, while it can be transferred to the mouth through oral sex - does not "choose" that area - so the fact that they already have the virus in their system gives them some added protection against transferring it. I wouldn't have oral sex if I had a mouth ulcer or cracked lips, but it would be highly unlikely for them to catch it orally through oral sex if there were no outbreaks.

This does not hold true for different strains of HSV or if one partner in poz and one is neg.

There is a professional in the sti/safer sex room at http://www.club462.com and I know this question has been asked before....odds are miniscule given their particular situation.

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eric n
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That would only clean the surface. Herpes is viral and appears in pustules and then comes shedding.

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brian b
well...if theyre monogamous, its as good a situation as its going to get.

they are at risk though. if they both have genital herpes, they should know better- both of them can contract oral herpes from oral sex with one another.

there is this huge negative stigma on herpes today. its a scarlet letter. i applaud your friends for being honest with each other and others about it, but once you have oral herpes, it becomes a whole different thing. its right there, in front of everyone to see.

oral herpes can be spread much, much easier than genital herpes. kissing is a common thing. so is general face contact. people put their fingers in their mouth, bite their nails, pick their teeth then shake hands, touch door handles, etc.
yes, the toilet seat urban myth isnt really true, but why risk it?
it is actually possible to re-infect someone- so theoretically, one partner could re-infect the other (mouth to genitals, mouth to mouth, genitals to genitals) just when that partners symptoms begin to subside.

think about it. soap and mouth wash didnt help them the first time. why would it protect them now?

my advice to your friends is to use condoms when performing oral sex- they do make them for that.
also, if thats an issue, both partners need to examine themselves and the other before engaging in oral sex, making sure there are no sores (genitals), or small cuts, etc. (mouth) for the virus to transport.
after that? its a calculated risk and they should be aware of the possible outcome.

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Tiffgoody2shoes
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Well if they both have the same herpes simplex 2, then I don't think there is much to worry about with sexual intercourse, considering they can't pass it back and forth to each other like a hot potato. I do suggest that they still have protected sex (using a condom), to prevent any further infection or breakouts. However, I am a little amazed that they are willing to risk getting oral herpes from performing oral sex, isn't genital herpes enough for them to handle???

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Maria
It is not safe. They can reduce their risk by using condoms or dental dams, and waiting until they are outbreak free. Cleaning the area will not help.

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lorennys2002
condoms flavor condoms are specifically for oral sex

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Bunny D.
No it won't work, they will get break outs in the mouths and on their lips.

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jackie_jabar
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It was not a stupid suggestion because you were being honest with your friend. The soap and Mouthwash just doesn't work at all with genital herpes. You can get genital herpes through oral sex even from cold sores.

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starbrite.
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None of the things you mentioned will stop or help.I would have them check with a doctor.

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NicoleS
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if you have genital herpes, it can be transferred to the mouth or vice versa, its up to her if she wants to chance it

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meowmom
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no its not safe to perform oral sex with someone who has herpies unless you want oral herps too,make him where a condom,they make different kinds, so the two of you should go together and find the kind thats right for you.im sure they make condoms that dont have alot of chemicals on them for taste sake,and they make flavored ones too.so unless you want a lifetime of herps on the mouth them cover him up or better yet dont go there-gross.herps of the genitals are called herp simplex,you can spread that to oral herps.you can also have oral herps that have nothing to do with sex i think its herps complex one could get that from a parent when your little and they give you a peck on the lips,you can also sread herps to your eyes if you mess with the ones on your mouth,and if you have had chicken pox well that herps zoster.hope this helped.they also make tongue condoms if he wants to go there-grosssssssss

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cuteayita222
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hahahahaha
do you really think listerine is going to cure herpes?

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FireChick
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Uhh... that won't work. Herpes is a virus, not a bacteria. You can't wash it away with soap and water. Or Mouthwash.

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mckludge2002
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Yes she is crazy to perform oral sex. If they had the same strand of the virus then I would imagine it wouldn't be so bad. But if the strands or differant they could wind up mutating the 2 and having a worse case of genital herpes. I would just tell them to have protected sex. And if they must have oral sex they do sell flavored condoms and sex shops. I would tell them to do that. Washing and such will not do much good.

To the person suggesting the active and inactive stages... even when it is inactive it is still spreadable. Safe sex is all I can recomend.

Also seeing a doctor for medication to help control it.

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