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Why do able bodied people have problems with disabled people having getting benefits?
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There are loads of people on here that think it's "unfair" that disabled people get parking badges, benefits, motability car schemes, etc. I'd give it all up just tohave my body back for a day. The government isn't discriminating against ab;e bodied people but trying to help disabled people live as much as a normal life as possible. Why do many people on this board post abuse towards disabled people? I'm honestly interseted to know as it might help me help able bodied people understand why I get benefiits.
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Tripod
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They get angry when they cant get a parking space and envy those who dont have to walk.
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Justaguyinaplace
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Well the way I see it is..., there are varied degrees of disabilities. There are some disabled people out there that try to squeeze every last ounce out of the govenment they possibly can as opposed to others that take what god gave them or possibly took away and do the best they can with out needing or wanting extra assistance.
It's kind of hard to explain, but it's difficult not to feel a tiny bit of contempt for people recieving benefits for in essence doing nothing at all.
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martinlostitch@btinternet.com
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Ive read the replies and mm well I'm reg disabled since i was 6 years old.spent 3 years in hospital as there was no cure then 1963 wont bore you with the disability but will say that from the answer's its simple to justify why people think like that.what you don't experience your self you will never understand what that person is going though on a day to day bases.you only see, hear, feel ,when its you who is suffering the disability.
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Borealis83
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I think it is perfectly acceptable that people with disabilities have benefits, especially since most public areas are not accessible to people with mobility problems.
I am not disabled but I have experienced something similar. I am dyslexic, I have problems with spelling and grammar. When I was at university doing my undergraduate degree and my masters degree I found that many other students thought it was very unfair that I got to do my exam in another building, that I got the use of a computer and 15% more time to do my exam. It used to annoy me, using a computer helps my because I get to use spell check. But on a daily basis I have to work twice as hard anyway to make sure I keep up with everyone else.
It does not bother me too much, as at least the university understand my needs. What really annoyed me was hearing another student complain that 'it was not fair that the girl with MS got to use a computer to do her exams'. Now that is just unfair, the girl, has MS and it caused her great pain in her wrist to write for a long time. The other girl was ignorant and unfair, I am sure she would not feel the same way if she was the one with MS!
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silma.monaghan@btopenworld.com
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In their daily lives, the general able bodied public tend not to consider the state of being disabled, possibly apart from a fleeting thought. I myself was probably guilty of the same. Until I became disabled myself.
I remember one time when I got out of my car after placing my badge on the dash, a middle aged woman came up to me and haughtily remarked , "There aren't many disabled spaces here, don't you think you should have parked in one of the other spaces. My elderly mother has real problems finding a disabled space here".
I was stunned, and suggested she take a look at the badge displayed. Then went on to tell her, quite directly, that I had breast cancer which had affected my bones and I could barely walk far. She was so very embarrassed and apologised profusely. I doubt she would ever forget that, and I'm sure she learned a valuable lesson that day.
At that time, at first glance no-one would guess I was so ill. I looked attractive and healthy. No-one would know the pain and distress I suffered. However, now that I walk with crutches or a stick, it's more obvious, and people either say nothing or do offer their assistance.
I think more people are becoming aware due to the Government's DDA directive being established by local councils in the UK. However, as with other popular political issues the simplistic reductionist view of solving the problem will always be more readily adopted by the ignorant and uneducated, fed to them by Murdoch's media.
Nevertheless, some disabled drivers, though, do themselves have a rather arrogant attitude and think they can park just anywhere even if it causes an obstruction or hazard. It's nothing to do with being disabled - they annoy me, too!
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michael k
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No-one with an ounce of common sense would begrudge disabled people all the help they can get.Disability could happen to anyone,any time.Don't let the morons get you down.Good luck.
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Amy J
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They do it because it's what they are used to. So many people are inconsiderate, rude, and unthoughtful. I hope that people will change and understand that people with disabilities, elders, and young children should be treated so.
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katcash84
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who the hell said that? i certainly dont think like that. If disabled people can't work, they need help! However, some people do play the diability benefit system, so it does get given quite a reputation and needs to monitored more efficiently
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Ade Babe
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Well done. Great you got so many answers and support. On yahoo i think you get a lot of childish kids who are bullies and bullies always target those they see as different and vulnerable.
You have no reason to feel obligated to make able bodied people understand. That is their problem and nothing you can do will change their opinion. Just be yourself and that will really change attitudes.
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LadyMoonlight!!
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Presumably they assume that most people getting Incapacoty Benefit etc are lying scroungers who won't work. That is just ignorant. I would like to know how they distinguish between a genuinely disabled/sick person and a "lying scrounger" who is abusing the system.
I was signed off work because of anxiety (agoraphobia) and severe depression which made it impossible for me to get to work (panic attacks, I couldn't go out of the house) or cope with a day's work, but plenty of people seemed to think because it was not a physical disability I was just being lazy and deliberately avoiding work. If they had seen me every day for weeks trying to go to work and sitting there shaking and feeling sick/vomiting and faint for one and a half hours before the boss had enough and sent me home they might not have said that. It was impossible for me to do my job at that time.
As far as disabled parking spaces, well it can be frustrating when you're desperately late and stressed and need to park your car to get to an appointment or something and the only spaces available are "disabled" and "mother and baby" ones which are empty!!!! I can relate to that but then yes I do know disabled people have to have somewhere to park because its not like they can just hop on a bus if they need a wheelchair. My BF's mum is registered disabled and it does really help her to know she's not going to get endless parking tickets everytime she goes into town, because she really can't get about on buses and she needs to use her car everyday.
Perhaps if there were better parking facilites and the government didn't constantly try this shite about "everyone should use the bus instead" (yeah right have you any idea how bad public transport is?) people wouldn't get so pissed off about this!
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hondanut
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i do not have a problem with it at all....if they are genuine..my sis in laws and 1 brother in law are on benefits....they are genuine...disabled....however i know of loads cases where the person claims benefits..and go to London or elsewhere to work.....or they just swan it ..a case ...a man cannot work because he gets lost if he goes off his estate,he has to do his shopping escorted(no car so he gets a free ride in escorts car) yet he can go on holiday 2 times a year to various places in the UK .....on his own............after being driven there and dropped off then collected again when hes finished..
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guest
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I don't know why people would think that, and I bet in the same position they would expect help.
I think maybe people are getting mixed up between people who are genuinely disabled, and those that try and cheat the benefits system.
I used to know a woman who was off work with a 'bad back', but was always in the garden working.
Of course, I don't know the details of what was wrong with her, so she could be genuine, but I was suspicious when she told me she had 'failed' her medical (meaning that they had given her a clean bill of health) ... surely that would be a pass?!
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Christine H
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I am so sorry that you feel people on here say bad things about disabled people. I don't think I have noticed it, but then it is not personal to me.
I am sure that a lot of it is simply that people really do not understand the expenses that come with being disabled.
I work at a Special Ed Centre and I am always appalled when I see the price of appliances etc ;but you have to be involved to get the picture.
I always make our fully able students and volunteers have a day when they are either wheelchair bound, blindfolded or their hands are tied closed so that they can have a better appreciation.
I know that no one can be in your body for you, but it does help them to see a bit of your reality (especially when they need the bathroom).
Maybe everyone should have a try once in a while and then they maybe they would comprehend a bit better.
Get out there and speak at schools and clubs. make your voice heard and things will start to change a little. From raindrops to puddles to rivers. You never know!
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I suspect it stems from the lazy and idle exagerating problems in order to get various allowances, you seem to have been witnesing a backlash, which i doubt is intended to be targeted towards what i might losely call the genuine disabled.
As for disabled bages, i think we have all seen what appear to be abled people getting out of cars and using their orange badges. I am aware of people using their fathers or mothers badge to cheat the system and avoid parking charges.
Whilst i do not trust the system to govern let alone administrate the provision of disabled badges i doubt anyone in their right would hold it against a disabled peson the right to have a badge..... its just the rotten few that abuse the system have caused people to have doubt whereas otherwise they wouldn't have.
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lil abbi
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well my mum thinks in the same way that you do because my youngest sister has disabilities
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pianojono
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They're just miserable, jealous bastards who wish that they could get all the so-called benefits of being disabled (!!!) without actually BEING disabled.
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icheeknows
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Cuz they are stingy. Somebody well known said the poor will be with you always and that guy shared but many of his followers think they do not have to or that they should give it out to who they want. Some of these same followers suport aggression and think it is OK to send soldier to get maimed and then they dollout very little to these same guys. It is disgraceful. The very people who rip us all off with all sorts of bussiness scams want the disabled to exist on pettyful little. Example how it works, we give more money to Israel each year than it would cost to give every American excellent health care. If they did take care of the poor and invest in education then they could not give money to oil companys and Israel It is all messed up. The drug companies gave out vacinations which caused a great increase in autistic children but they are nto very interested in taking care of these kids they damaged, same with coal burning electric companies. There is only so much in the pie and some people want more than their share and do not care who they hurt to get it. Your elected officials know all this and they are not telling you. Wonder why that is.
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shortnotsilly
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There are loads of immature people, they don't think, they can't be bothered, they want you to get out of their way so they can safe 20 sec while drivinng up your a*rse and endangering your life and whoever is in the car with you, in our case its our kid. They also dont' think that if you break and they make a slight mistake they crash into your car, and it will be your neck that will be broken, not theirs. This is the sort that feels that disabled spaces should also be for their use.
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Gypsie
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We're not against people who rightly deserve disability living allowance etc. We are against people who are quite capable and falsely claim benefits (and in the UK there are lots of people who do).
My father worked all his adult life and now claims disability allowance along with his company pension. He has MS and cannot work anymore, he has paid his taxes and deserves every penny he gets.
People are very ignorant until someone they know is disabled and then their attitudes soon change.
P.s I actually dispise the able bodied people who selfishly park in disabled spaces, not the people who hold the badges.
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iain
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You may become disabled at any moment (i sincerely hope not),
and if not disabled at an earlier age, you certainly will be hindered
by old age and need help. It is all a question of reciprocity and
humanity, those able who help now will most certainly deserve
to be aided later. Think about it from this point of view and it will
answer all your questions. I should know since I was an International athlete and now, at 69 am hindered by disability and need help from others, including you. Please give the matter some
thought as I am certain that you will agree? And above all, those
problems with the millions with AIDS in Africa, India that are
helpless. Mr Gates is leading the way with charity and deserves
our recognition for his efforts. But I refer mainly to family and
friends who will help you if needed. Cheers - Iain
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jue
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Unfortunately people in the past have abused the benefits for sickness, etc so people assume everyone is. Some people require different assistance which alot of us take for granted. Just as someone may require a car or wheelchair to be mobile, an abled bodied person expects seats or lighting to be available at all times. These items enable abled bodied people to function normally? Just think about it for a minute. What aids do able bodied people demand compared to others. Plus i've noticed that most disabled parking places are taken up by idle people who cant be bothered to walk that little bit extra.
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keith b
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i am disabled myself i think its probably jealousy
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A Shade Of Grey
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I think they are fair, it's just some people are ignorant of their problems
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bugaboo
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I don't begrudge disabled anything, and thought it was good when the government forced commercial businesses to provide proper access to their premises.
What p!sses me off is people who moan about not being entitled to park near a supermarket like families with kids (who could dart about in front of cars) and the disabled (who are spared the struggle of having to come from the back of the car park). To put it in perspective, these people are afraid of walking a short distance to get into a shop. Thats called sheer laziness.
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u r dumb
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I don't think that most people have a problem with that .But sadly their are people who are not disabled and should not be getting it ( insurance fraud ) that make it a horrible situtation for those who are legit
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Kayak_Girl_2006
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I think their beliefs are due to miseducation and inexperience.
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Papa Bear
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I think part of it comes from the difficulty in determine if someone is really disable, or using some other person's placard. It creates a resentment. You also need to remember that is has been less than forty years since Eugenics was popular, and the National Eugenics Movement is currently making a come back, with our abilities to alter DNA.
When I was young, teachers would tell me that I either should not have been allowed to live, or sterilized, so that my damaged genes could not continue to pollute the human gene pool. There was active sterilization projects at county hospitals, though mostly targeted as those with mental disorders, such as depression, and learning disorders. If I remember correctly, it has been exactly 40 years ago that the programs were stopped. Still, old bias keeps returning. We all learned about the civil rights movement, but little is taught about those who lived their lives in special homes or hospitals, for the disable. Never going out to a movie, for dinner, or even around the block.
I may have been a very different person, if not for my sixth grade (1968) teacher at Lincoln Elementary in Escondido, Ca. His name was Mr. Manthey, and he was a Polio Victim. He showed me how to fight against stereotyping. I often wish I knew how to find his grandchildren, so that I could tell them what I thought of him.
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fivetoze
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i know why, because able bodied people have no conception what its like to be disabled. mans got no legs..so what, hes got wheels hasnt he?
what..he gets his car tax paid... free prescriptions... oh no.. hes ripping me off, i pay my taxes..blah blah blah... theyve never been there, and as such have no idea what its like.. iven been an amputee for 26 years... and norms, they just dont think. theyre fat and lazy, so they steal our parking spaces so they can buy more burgers..or whatever.
supermarkets wont do anything as theyer to scared of losing custom... they could care less about us crips, we already go there, johnny with legs might go somewhere elses if challenged.
and teh benefit thing, whoopee do.. i get 75 quid a week, with so much wealth, i dont how how ill cope.. and i left school on good friday 74, i started work on tuesday and i paid my taxes, and my stamp. this pittance is mine by right...what rights do imigrants have..more than me it would appear.
but hey, if anyone feels so strongly aboput this, let me know, ill go out and get drunk, then i can crush you with my volvo, and you can claim benefits... but youll never walk again. never kick a ball, or do it doggy style... if you can get it up at all....
able bodied folks are mean and nasty just because we,the disabled, get special treatment, and quite frankly its jealousy... though why anyone would want to be a cripple is beyond me...
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♥Pink Princess♥
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I agree with you, my boyfriend is classed as disabled he has transient global amnesia which is a form of epilepsy.
it was caused 7 years ago in a fight he tried to stop, a girl mate of his ex was hitting her with a baseball bat he stepped in to defend his friend and he whacked him round the head with the bat causing the brain damage and he is also blind in his right eye this man only served 1yr 6m my boyfriend still suffers to this day with major headaches and blackouts he will take medication for the rest of his life and will never be able to work again, but because he looks normal (whatever that is) people think he is a scrounger and it really annoys me.
When he gets out of my car with his disabled badge in the front i can tell what people are thinking just beause someone has all their limbs and not in a wheelchair and no obvious disability then they are abusing a system,
and no i do not use it when he is not in the car with me.
ignorant people need to think before they speak
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twistie
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There is a lot of abuse of the system which is sensationalised by some media so some people become very angry without stopping to think about the situation or the stereotypes their using.
There are people in the UK (I'm presuming that's where you're based) that don't agree with any of our systems for taking care of the people who need it.
These people would rather scrap any benefits, save the money and return to a time when the sick and poor were left in the streets dying of the most trivial things.
Thankfully they seem to be in the minority, most of society wants to fix the systems holes stop the louses who abuse it.
Unfortunately I don't think anyone is capable of changing narrow minded peoples views, but I would put money on them claiming everything going if something unfortunate where to happen to them.
You usually find the people mouthing off about these issues are the same people who think A & E should halt everything to pull a splinter out of their toe instead of having to wait a couple of hours whilst actual sick people are treated.
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