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 Is it wrong to want to die for someone to be happy?

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Nanci Raygun
Thoughts of suicide?
I am a 17 year old girl, I have been physically and verbally abused my whole life.
Both of my parents are mentally ill, my father has a personality disorder and my mother has severe dysthymic disorder.
I have daily thoughts of suicide.
I used to see a therapist, but my father would always yell at me about how expensive it was, and that just made me feel even worse, so I stopped making appointments.
The only thing that keeps me alive is my love for my boyfriend and thoughts of the future I might someday have with him.
I don't feel like this is enough to keep me holding on.
How can I deal with these thoughts?
Are there any support groups that you can reccomend?
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I am no longer in school.
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MistiDawn
Oh, God... Sweetie, ya got 1 more year to go... stick it out and then GET out. If you don't believe in martyrs, you shouldn't think of suicide. And your boyfriend shouldn't be the reason that you "hold on," either: it needs to be YOU. So your parents are screwed up, big deal? Do you know how many others share your situation? And do you know how much WORSE things could be? Anytime you feel you're hitting rock bottom, just remember how much worse things can be.

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scarface
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Go to a nearby church and talk to the pastor or priest.

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Sahara
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Have you checked the Yahoo Groups section?
You could check on Facebook because they have groups.
I joined a few stepmom support groups.

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I have personally dealt with these thoughts in the past, and I just want to let you know that it's okay to have these feelings. If you didn't have these feelings or thoughts, it would be considered abnormal. Having suicidal thoughts is perfectly normal. I don't want to sound religious or anything like that, but I believe that when one is down to nothing, God is up to something. I believe that God knows when a sparrow falls out of the sky, and if he didn't know this, you would have done yourself in already. I believe that every human is born with a reason to hold on just a little longer, whether they know of the reason or not. It is a hope worth living for, because once a reason to live is discovered, happiness is found. Don't get me wrong, but I think it's people like your boyfriend and the future you might have with him, and people like me, who probably don't even know you, but truly care for you as an individual is a strong enough reason to carry on just a little longer. I have faith in you. I wish you a very blessed day, and a little hope to hold on to.

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LuckyLavs
Suicide thoughts are usually the result of severe or sustained depression.

Sadness and depression are nothing more than stored up anger... which was never acted upon.

Anger stems from not having your needs met...

This is the core of your problem right here. Not having your needs met. If I were you; I would really think about what your needs are; which ones are not being satisfied, and why.

Consider everything: emotional needs, financial, physical, social, spiritual, or career-wise. Write a list out for yourself.

Once you identify them, this may cause you to be angry. But this is a good thing.

Then work on the best way to achieve each of your needs given your current situation. If you don't know how to satisfy a particular need; ask around. You can even ask on Yahoo! answers again.

This will be a roadmap out of your current state of depression. Give it a shot.

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Blondie
Please hang in there. I am so sorry to hear about your situation. It must be painful to recount the abuse you have endured and it also must be difficult to grow up with two mentally ill parents. Just know that you are not alone. Other people have been in your shoes and have made it out okay. Please check this website out: http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/. It really helped me when I was depressed and was contemplating suicide. It snapped me back into myself and made me realize that as awful as my life seemed, that it WOULD get better. You also may want to look into free clinics for counseling, and if you are on myspace, or facebook there may be support groups. Check with your medical doctor too, sometimes they can help.

best of luck to you!

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♥tickled pink♥
don't commit sucide things can get better!

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soul4joy
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Discuss this matter with God :) Ask Him to resolve this problem. He will help you and the thoughts of sucide will never come in your mind.

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ebmid2
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If your problems are related to your parents, it seems like they could be solved without suicide. If they're abusive, then you could go to a social worker and have them remove you from your parents' house. Either way it doesn't matter much, because if you're 17, then you're close to 18, at which point you can move out on your own.

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caronmiami
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stay strong! keep your head up I promise things will get better. there are plenty of sites phone numbers and places to turn to.
please dont give up. you will not live like this forever! I promise!
google suicide thoughts
and you will find plenty of help

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Jax
dailystength.org is great, i use it for my depression. theres so many support groups and people who understand

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Emmarrr :]
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ring childline.

their great and its free and the number wont even show up on your phone bill.

please dont kill yourself, just think how much it would hurt your parents and your boyfriend

what area are you in? so we can tell you local places

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Lover of Blue
Contact the churches in your area or drop by your school councelor's office for assistance. You need more support!! You deserve it!! Also check out this website. They may have some answers for you!

http://www.cloudtownsend.com/index.html

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cgvintageguitars
I was in the same situation not quite that bad though I waited until I turned 18 joined the military and only go back for visits 1-2 times per year. I recommend doing the same you're mature enough to recognize the problem. what you need to concentrate on is being better than your parents! Whatever you do at all costs do not turn out like them. Like I said I did this and it is working wonders I am finishing my BS at a rather prestigious university in Texas and soon off to get my masters degree. I will be the first person in my family to get a college degree! Don't let them ruin your life 18 isn't that far away the important thing is you get your education so STAY in school until your done

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nancies
Get out now. You're 17. First, get a job part time if that's easier 4 u and a motel room with 1st pay check. Tell them where u are when u turn 18. Until then drop a hint by phone that u are fine or by sending a letter. In letter tell them why u left. Don't live on streets, will only mess u up more. Get a motel room or stay with a friend and be sure you have u're own money coming in. get g.e.d.

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thatswhatshesaid
When I was 17 my best friend committed suicide. She had absolutely no warning signs that they talk about, and we believe that it had to be a spur-of-the-moment thing. This December it will be 3 years and not a day goes by that I don't think about it.

I would first get emancipated (unless you're at the age to move out without being termed a runaway). You need to put yourself somewhere positive and just remember that people really do love you, even though they don't always show it. Do anything there is to get help. Find a counselor at a school or something. They may not be the most qualified but you really need to talk to someone.

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hollywoodcutie3
hi, I'm sorry you feel this way but there is help, To write love on her arms, is an organization that deals with girls who have problems with suicide and depression, they don't treat you like a lesser person and they actually love on you. Go to TWLOHA.com, there at the bottom is a button you can click on for suicide help. They will love on you and show you the way to get out of it, I would say this would be the best way, because they come from a teenagers point of view not an adult.

I will be praying you get better! feel free to ask me any questions about it.

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Leggo My Eggo
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Try the kids help line

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bama_turtle
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Some therapists are willing to see people on a fee sliding scale. I would look into finding one without telling your father. I understand where you are coming from. I came from a very negative,poor, and neglectful upbringing with a lot of verbal abuse from teachers as a child. If you can I would suggest you start a job and work on saving your money, so that you can move out as soon as possible. The longer you are in that negative environment, the more depressed you are going to get. From the way you describe, your parents are too ill to help you. That is the same reason, I moved away from my parents. I was tired of the verbal abuse in the house but I quickly married to a man that at first seemed so compassionate and understanding, but turned out to be emotionally abusive. I remember the time that I actually attempted suicide because of an arguments with my parents that never encouraged me to follow my dreams. What stopped me that day as a I sawed away at my wrist was my conscious. I have realized since them with some minor relapses of thought is that I can never trully be happy in love with someone if I cannot love myself. I know that the world is tough and will push you to the ground but you can dig a hole to get lower and further down or you can stand up and fight to show that you will not let it get you down. I currently am very ill and unhappy with my life but what keeps me away from the ideations of suicide is that there are things that I want to do in life and must do before I leave this world. If I were to commit suicide, my life have been empty because I quit before attempting to follow my dreams. I don't want that. Hold your head up, look at what is positive about you. What are your dreams? Come up with real time strategies and calendars to accomplish those dreams. You can do that. You can find what is positive within in you and take that and let it shine. I believe in you. When you start to feel down or you feel that the world is pushing you down, stop and start trying to relax with something that you enjoy whether it is sports or even daydreaming with the radio on. Please don't put all your hopes and dreams on your boyfriend. I did and now I am miserable because I put to much stock in the thought that he might be dependable especially when I'm sick but he is so unsupportative and destructive that I would rather drive to the hospital half-dead and alone then go with him nagging me. I finally found who I am after many years and the thing is that as I get older the definition of me is changing and getting better. My head is up a lot more these days, but I know things will get better for you. Hang in there and watch out for addictions such as alcohol, drugs, food, and even religion. A lot of addicts tend to have depression and low self- esteem and base their lives around the addiction to the point that they can no longer find reality. Reality is tough but it is challenge that can be overcome as long as you can stay strong and say, " Life may try to defeat me, but I am not a loser. I will overcome and win against the odds by respecting myself, setting and achieving goals, and exploring myself to know me and respect me. I wish you the best. I would suggest ignoring these people that tell you religion is the way to getting over this. This is much deeper then their shallow impressions. I was brainwashed with religion as a child and told to believe what the minister's told me but that made me more suicidal because I felt I could never perfectly comply with their demands. The day I started paying attention to what I was being told in church is the day I stopped going because everyone was contradicting the basic elements in religion by saying that others would go to Hell and by believing this I would have to ignore the most basic commands such as Love another as you would yourself and don't be judgmental because that is not our place. Those convey in many religions and a lot of people forget those and punish us for not being as narrow and close minded as they are about religion. If you believe in God, Allah, Jehovah, or etc..., then you believe that we are here for a purpose and that he/she would want us to take care and respect ourselves first before trying to take on religious duties. You need to have a healthy mindset. Sorry it so long winded.

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charley_bbabbitt
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HUGS to you, Get back into therapy, asap. You are allright, if you do How will I ever meet you

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kat12
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With suicidal thoughts you have to see a counselor. I have a friend where she worked something out with her therapist where she doesnt have to pay much at all. They are there to help you and if you feel you cant hold on get to the emergency room!!! I myself have done it a couple of times. It doesnt sound like your parents have really been there for you. You will be 18 soon so you are going to have to create a support system that will help you. Talking to a counselor will help you figure out what your resources are. I was suicidal all this past year and when I met my therapist and started working with her I was so relieved to finally have someone on my side. Because of her I have finally taken steps to take care of myself and you will too once you ask for help. There are the resources no matter your economic situation.

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chaz_valentino
talk to a counseler at school and tell them your issues and about your parents

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ok this may seem wierd coming from a 13 year old but dont do anything silly cos u wont just be letting yourself down all the other people you know will be upset too. you've made it 17 years and felt like sh!t a bit but keep on going and one day you will shine like a diamond for the world to see.

sometimes i feel like my dad and sister team up on me a bit but i just keep going and keep out doing them at what they could do at my age and get along fine.

work out you own ways of coping and add to them and soon u will be ok.

if you are bieng bullied tell someone because it will never get sorted if you dont.

hope this helps.

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Piddles
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A good place to go is Psych Central. It is an online community for people to discuss and get support for psychological problems. To get to the forums click community at the right end of the menu.

http://psychcentral.com/

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joel
you either have to talk to someone or just find somthing or someone that you can really get into to take your mind of it

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prekinpdx
I think you need to really think about going back to see someone a therapist. Due to the history of mental health issues in your family, you may have the same issues. Depression (dysthymic disorder) can be serious, and it sounds like you are depressed. I would even try medications. I know how hard it must be to stand up to your father, but you really need to try your best to focus on what YOU need regardless of what kind of abuse your father throws at you. Your boyfriend is probably temporary and it sounds like he is all that is stabilizing you currently. Overcoming abuse takes lots of work and commitment but it sounds like you want to try. Can you move out? If your father knew about your thoughts of suicide would he bite his tongue? Can you have a heart to hear with him? "Dad...I'm feeling really messed up, I think about killing myself, I know therapy is expensive, but I don't know if I can hold on." something like that? I'm sure if he was the abuser that it is probably out of the question. Don't listen to people who tell you God or Jesus, that won't help. By reaching out here, it tells me that you don't want to die just yet...that you are looking for help. Please try to get back into therapy or even talk to a counselor at school. That's free and is confidential. Also, have you told anyone about the physical abuse? Even if it was a long time ago, you should think about reporting it to an adult. Please hang in there and know that it will get better. Moving out, going to college, getting a job, etc...all that stuff will come soon and will help your situation. Don't give up!

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in your high school if their is a school psychiatrist i would speak to them because if you do that is the cheapest way of talking with someone

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NEMESIS
Sooo sorry little butterfly. Your parents sounds like uneducated drug addicts. If your boyfriend decide to leave what will you do?

Butterfly, you are not alone...many ppl have your problems too and suicide is not the solution to solving any problems.

Why be so brave to give up so fast. life is sooo amazing and moments like your never remains the same.

Your thera;ist, should get more involve and volunteer in-for any how to get inexpensive treatment, its your right.

One more year and you can even pick up and travel to any destination and start all over again and i bet you'll meet wonderful ppl that will make your younger years cease to exist.

best of luck!!!

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Simon C
Forget about what people think of you. You are the best! You have a boyfriend. Care about yourself and of him. Nobody else.

Try a change of scenery. Travel somewhere and get inspiration. It doesn't have to be far. Just go somewhere for a day or more with or without your boyfriend and reflect on life.

Think about your future as you wrote and what you still have to explore in life.

All the best!

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Olivia!
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Do you know where the Weinstein Jewish Community Center is?
It's on Monument Avenue, right near St Mary's Hospital.
They have counselors there, and I strongly suggest that you speak to them.
You seem like a smart girl, and it's good that you realize that a teenage romance is not enough to keep you afloat.
I'm glad that you are seeking help, you need to be a success story, not a statistic.
Please hold on.

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