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misteramara
Is circumcising babies wrong?
While there is some evidence that people who are circumcised are slightly less likely to contract certain sexually transmitted diseases, and it could possibly be more hygienic (both debatable; you could just teach boys to practise safe sex and wash properly instead) , the bottom line is that circumcision is an irreversible act of mutilation performed on people too young to decide for themselves whether they want it.

I mean, it might be more hygienic not to have toes, but how would you like it if all your toes had been cut off when you were a baby because it 'might' be more hygienic? That would be considered cruel, so why isn't disfiguring a child's penis also considered cruel? Especially considering it makes the penis less sensitive; you're taking away some of the kid's pleasure later in life, and there's nothing he can do about it!

I'd like to hear people's opinions on this.

Obviously I'm not talking about the small minority of people who do need it done for medical reasons.
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I read somewhere that some religions demand circumcision because it makes masturbation more difficult. In theory that would then increase the number of new members of that religion, because if the easiest sexual outlet becomes genital sex then you will probably have more children, who can be indoctrinated into your religion.
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Barbra
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It's better to get it done at birth instead of waiting until later. Later is more torturous. A day or two old is better. They won't know anything about it. I've know grown men who had it done and it was very painful. A whole lot more to it later in life. It is better to be circumsiced than not to be.

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lolaj892
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no its nothing wrong with circumcision it cleaner for the baby.because if the baby has a lazy mom urine and yeast can get in the fold of the forskin.and cause chaffing and craking. which can be very painful.and it keeps down bacteria and other infections due to dirt.

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odball
No if I were a minister of health in any country I would make it LAW.

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Cosmic
I know that as they get older,girlfriends or wives will be happy to hear it mostly,as there are studies into this topic,and men that aren't circumcised,are more likely to give women health problems.A circumcised penis is a cleaner one. :)

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candpcampbell58@btinternet.com
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best thing a boy could have done young I'm all for it, and had it

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galyamike
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There are arguments on both sides. Circumcision does not affect sex and the penis is much easier to keep clean. If it is to be performed at all, it is better to have it done while a baby. It is said that circumcision reduces sensitivity; but by and large, the uncircumcised glans is too sensitive anyway.

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The Rain God
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Well, I had my tonsils out when I was four, but they missed the coarctation of the descending aorta till I was 45. Which do you think was worse? Circumcision has been going on for millennia.Why sweat it?

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Bren
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my boys have had it done cos they were born in a muslim country and theres no question it is done. i wasnt happy about it but had no choice. im still undecided about whether its a good idea or not.

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toadoflossers
Yes, I think it's wrong, but I've always been worried about this "loss of sensitivity" business. When a man is cut after puberty, then yes, he can tell the difference, but there are as many men who say it it improves it as those who say they lose some. On the other hand, who knows what happens when a baby is cut at birth - could it not be that with one so young, all of those nerve endings which are allegedly lost could be replaced on the glans by Mother Nature rather than being permanently lost - rather like (for instance) a blind baby will develop a much more sensitive hearing mechanism ! ! !

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aeidensmommy
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I agree. It's sick that anyone would allow this to happen to their precious child.

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imapagan (Wiccan)
in some religions you get circumsized at a certain age but in my opinion yea i think its wrong i bet that if they asked us this question wether we want to be circumsized almost 3 fourths of us will say no

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nurgle69
yes surgery without consent is a breach of their human rights
its like cutting off your foot to prevent in growing toe-nails

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Chris cc
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Yes, good point.
It is an act of force and possibly for the sake of it. Most of Christianity has the dictated view that a person isn't mature, can't make mature decisions. Which is a dangerous way for a system to be.
The secular world hasn't woken up to the fact that the worst of what we think religion is, or is, it actually laps up without realising it.
But de-sentitisation shouldn't be a problem in this society, we are so messed about with continually.

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Andy
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yup

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chief
i agree with you totally. you should have the right to decide for yourself when the time is right. it might be for good reasons,but noone should have the right to do anything like this to there child unless for serious medical reasons.

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trebla_5
I fully agree that circumcising infants (for non-religious and non-medically necessary reasons) should not be allowed. It's a very sensitive and personal part of the body, and once removed there's no going back. So if a guy is upset that his foreskin was removed (or if he had some kind of complication from the circumcision), there's pretty much nothing he can do. On the other hand, if an uncircumcised guy doesn't like his foreskin (or has problems with it), he can just get circumcised.

It should be the person's own choice whether or not he wants his foreskin cut off or not. Despite the widely publicized research that indicates a decreased HIV contraction rate for circumcised men, there are also other studies (far less publicized) that show good genital hygiene (link 1) and population of prostitutes (link 2) are far more important factors.

So if a person has good genital hygiene and practices safe sex, does circumcision really provide any benefit? Probably not. And hygiene and safe sex are things every guy should do regardless. So circumcising infants, taking away their choice over a sensitive part of their body, to prevent something that would not happen if he kept clean and was careful, seems unethical.

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darth72au
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yes it is wrong. why remove a perfectly good and natural part of his body.
what next-remove his appendix and tonsils because he MAY get a problem one day? who cares if they serve a purpose. just like the foreskin service a purpose. why stop there? remove girls breasts at pubity to stop breast cancer?

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potteryking58
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i agree 90% with you, boys should be able to deicde if they want it done to them when they are older, that way, they have a choice. As you said its unnessecary, and it can be cruel, unless it needs to be done for religious reasons

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jane franklin
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I think its completely wrong. You hear the argument that its more painful in grown men than in infants to be circumcised, but perhaps that's only because infant boys have no way of fully expressing the pain it causes. No one can say it doesn't hurt infants. I'm a nurse and have assisted in a lot of infant circumcisions and I can tell you the children certainly look like it hurts them a great deal. Another thing that I find funny is a lot of times the OB/GYN is the one doing the circumcision. I don't know about other people, but I for one wouldn't want someone whose living is made looking at female anatomy chopping at my son's foreskin. I think its just an old tradition that needs to be broken. The world has such a huge problem with female circumcision, it seems like males are being overlooked. With females its considered "genital mutilation" and a crime, but when done in males, its just for cleanliness sake. To me its just another win for the feminists out there trying to control the male population one penis at a time.

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Hendo
I have a 21month old son and he, like me, has not and will not be getting circumcised. I will teach him that it is best to keep it clean and make sure he knows how to do this. As far as safe sex is concerned, there's only two sure fire ways of keeping clear of STDs and that's condoms and abstinence.

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Pam
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I am American so almost all of the men I know are cut. But this doesn't mean I agree with it. I think altering anyone's body without their consent is wrong. What I find most odd is that most of the guys I know are happy they are circumcised. They think that uncut d*cks are weird. I don't understand this at all. If I was a cut guy, I would be so angry that someone mutilated my genitals when I was baby.

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BrightEyes
its cruel and there is no statistically relevant evidence to show any health benefits to it.

basically, its just tradition.

i say leave it.

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SalKnows
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Yes. When it is done to newborns. You were made a certain way for a reason. All circumcision is, is cosmetic surgery on an infant. I don't care if you want to do it to yourself when you are old enough to make that decision for yourself. But Babies should not be put through that pain, for the pleasure of the parents. And that is what it is, a choice not a medical necessity.

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LuLu
I totally agree with you. I have two sons, one circumcised, the other not. I was a young mother and did not do my homework. It wasn't until AFTER I had my first son circumcised did I learn about the procedure. I felt I had sent my son to the butchers! I discovered that more and more mothers are opting to NOT have their infants circumcised, and I've since jumped on the bandwagon with those against it . I'm glad a question such as this was posted and hope that the Yahoo mothers-to-be will read this.

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Maple
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Many of us consider that it's child abuse. If you think that term is too strong, watch this video http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

I find it strange that so many people seem to think that most guys have to have it done at some point in their lives. That's simply not true -- most men who escape the knife at birth keep their foreskins their entire lives. And the answerer who "had to" have her sons done at age 2 got terrible medical advice -- the foreskin is not supposed to retract that early! Honey, you had your kids mutilated for no good reason!

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paul t
I personally dont agree with it for all the reasons that you have mentioned .

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rumbler_12
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I agree with you. I thin it is mutilation and tantamount to cutting off the clitoral hood and we don't do that to our little girls.

The foreskin protects the Glans, just like the hood protects the clitoris. Both are mucus membranes. That is why circ'd men and boys glans look almost like they are dried out (they are) and are often rough. they should be pink, smooth and sensitive.

Also circumcisions often result in the frenulum being injured which results in a lot of loss of sensitivity.

My wife had never before seen or experienced an uncut man until we met and she later told me it felt better (the skin moving inside her) and was as clean during oral sex as any circ'd guy.

We should never do that to our boys. We sure didn't.

Good point!

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confuzoid
we dont need earlobes

should we have those removed at birth also?

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I think it's cruel both male and female circumcision. Lot of it is done for religious reasons which I don't get. Why would the God of these religions put it there in the first place if he wanted people to remove it? I think they should wait until the child is old enough to make their own choice. They should be allowed to have their own choice instead of someone taking away that choice from them. If they don't want to be circumcised then people should respect their choice and not force them.

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Sweet Lilies & Lavender
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Bravo

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mayflower25
Yes, I believe it is wrong.

If you said it was right to remove all a woman's labia minora, and the hood of the clitoris, leaving the bare minimum and the head of the clitoris exposed, most people would disagree with you. Yet this would be the equivalent for women. And it would help to prevent, yeast infections, improve cleanliness, and decrease the spread of sexually transmitted diseases - all the things used to justify male circumcison. It would also reduce female sexual sensitivity - loss of some degree of sensitvity is another side effect of male circumcision. Yet if we advocated doing this to all female children like we do to male - what's good for the gander is good for the goose after all - it would be considered abhorrent.

Male infact circumcision is only considered ok because it has become a cultural norm to be mutilated, and it shouldn't be. I can't believe it still goes on in the civilised world.

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